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Florida shop broadcasts benefits of waiving deductiblesIndustry at odds over waiving customers' insurance deductibles

Source: Automotive Body Repair News

Some collision repair shop owners enthusiastically greet the concept of waiving deductibles in an effort to attract customers.

As a brouhaha brewing in Florida suggests, reducing or eliminating the upfront amount policyholders are supposed to pay out-of-pocket is generating criticism from insurance carriers, industry leaders and – especially – fellow business owners struggling to compete in the same market.

The decision over whether to waive is largely moot for shops belonging to direct repair programs (DRPs), as the terms of the contract will likely spell out what can or cannot be done with the deductible. Some insurers may insist it be collected in full while others may opt to waive it as a marketing strategy: We’ll drop the deductible if you pick our DRP.

Shop owners get angry when a repair center down the street is soliciting customers into their facility with a bargain price that can’t be beat. Another source of anger is a widespread belief that waiving deductibles is illegal. That is not necessarily true, although all 50 states enact their own laws on insurance matters.

Part of the confusion stems from how a deductible-waiving shop handles the transaction. Let’s say a customer has a $500 deductible and the wreck has caused $1,000 in damage. If the shop knocks $200 off the deductible to bring that client in the door, then the shop earns $800 for the repair. This could be a decent price under some circumstances. If, for example, the business owner is able to control overhead and other costs, perhaps the building is owned free and clear and there is no rent or mortgage to pay, or the facility thrives on referrals and a high volume of work with efficient throughput.

The trouble starts if a shop owner charges the insurance company $1,200 for the $1,000 job in an attempt to recover the $200 discount. This is insurance fraud – definitely a crime.

The latest dustup is taking place in Crestview, Fla., where Ed Lowe, owner of Crestview Paint and Body, will waive $200 of a customer’s deductible or $250 for members of the U.S. military forces. “It’s not against the law to waive a deductible,” he says. “It’s the customer’s money.”

A complaint to ABRN alleging suspected illegality was lodged by a competing shop owner who requested anonymity and was tired of losing clients to Lowe. It is particularly galling when a potential customer already on your lot decides to have the vehicle towed over to Crestview, he said. The result was a puzzling series of queries about the practice.

“This is a very important subject,” says George Mantzaris, vice president of the Florida Autobody Collision Alliance (FACA), a statewide organization that is a recent Society of Collision Repair Specialists (SCRS) affiliate member.

“Yes, it is illegal to wave a customer’s deductible in the state of Florida,” Mantzaris says. “We talk about this frequently among the shops and insurance companies. And yes, there are shops that do use this tactic to sway customers, especially during these difficult economic times.”

“It is illegal,” agrees Mark Schlein, deputy director of insurance fraud investigations for the Florida Department of Financial Services. The senior state law enforcement official went on to deride any shop owner who is “stupid enough to waive your deductible.”

ABRN requested a copy of the precise language contained in the measure, so everyone involved would be on the same page. Surprisingly, it turned out to be quite a different story during a subsequent conversation with Schlein a few days later: “I did a very diligent search and I can’t find anything in the statute that prohibits that conduct,” he says. “Merely reducing one’s price to compensate for the deductible is not illegal.”

“I can’t break a law that doesn’t exist,” Lowe says.

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Established in 1988, Crestview has been offering this deductible deal for two years, and Lowe said business is up 90 percent since it began. The shop has no DRPs and Lowe is an outspoken critic of insurance companies.

Crestview has found a forum to broadcast Lowe’s views. On Wednesdays for the past two years, a sports radio call-in show specializing in college football has been broadcasting live from his shop during the 4-7 p.m. drive-time slot. As a sponsor of the program, Lowe joins the host on-air to discuss football and ruminate about the state of the insurance industry.

In college football-crazed Florida, “Southern Sports Tonight” on 98.1-FM The Ticket is a hard-hitting show with bruising commentary. And we’re not even talking about the gridiron rivalries; we’re talking about what’s said regarding insurance company executives and how they operate their businesses.

“I’ve been calling them awful things on the radio,” Lowe cheerfully admits. “I’m anti-insurance. I tell the general public what the hurdle is.” He’ll rail against steering and its impact on the collision repair industry or address a problem that a listener has settling a claim. “The insurance companies are dominating these rural areas, and I’m trying to do something about it.”

Even the pigskin pro who anchors the program is getting in on the act. “I’ve educated the host, and he almost knows as much about the business as I do,” Lowe says.

“I have a pretty big audience here. I go for a base of loyal customer; I’m advertising to people who are loyal to their college.” Regarding DRPs and the pressures policyholders face to choose a particular shop endorsed by the insurance carrier, he says, “You’re more loyal to your school than your insurance company.”

The smash-mouth show seems like it’s a hit with the public. The signal is strong enough to attract customers from other states, and the remote aspect of the broadcast encourages listeners to come on down to the shop and meet the cast.

Couple this high-decibel sponsorship over the airwaves with his bold stance of waiving deductibles and “it’s the best thing I’ve ever done,” Lowe says. “I took in five jobs today – that will tell you how powerful the radio show is. I’ve got 50 cars right here on my back porch waiting to be fixed.” The porch is a covered parking area. “I’ve been heard all the way to Tallahassee; that’s a two-and-a-half hour drive where I’m going to pick up cars.”

Shop owners in far-away markets also are tuning in to the buzz and seeking marketing advice. “I’ve got people calling me from Nebraska, California and all over asking me how to stay in business,” he says.

While Lowe is a scrappy fighter – he previously was embroiled in a trademark legal dispute with Progressive Insurance over use of the word “concierge” that was settled out of court under a confidentiality agreement – he definitely has fun with his rants and notoriety. Click on trademark dispute to see that article.

Lowe will even venture into hostile territory in the form of insurer drive-through estimating stations. “I’ll drive the car to the appointment, and they’ll say, ‘What are you doing here?’ And I say, ‘I’m getting customers.’”

Although the SCRS does not have an official position on waiving deductibles, the organization’s president, Gary Wano, cites “multiple reasons why repairers should discontinue” the practice. For starters, there’s a possibility that a shop is losing money on the job if its knocking a $200 deductible off the cost.

“What message does this give the insurer?” Wano says. “Somehow, the repairer argues that the repair requires certain operations or rates to repair the car properly; then gives that away in a deductible reduction, causing the insurer to question if too many repair dollars were allowed. More often then not, this knowledge leads to hostility between a repairer and the informed insurer.”

Another issue is that the application of “universal contract law” between the insurer and the policyholder may hold sway in dictating what’s done with the deductible, Wano said.

“The insurance companies are having a fit about that,” says Erica Eversman, chief counsel for Vehicle Information Services, which lobbies and litigates collision repair industry legal matters. “They’re not seeing it as a business-development tool.”

DRP repairers are bound by the terms they agree to, she said, stressing also that it is illegal for any shop owner to increase the insurer’s repair bill to recover a discounted deductible.

“Some insurance companies will waive the deductible if you take it to one of their DRP shops,” says Eversman, who says this discussion about deductibles is yet another drawback to an increasingly intrusive role that the insurance industry is taking throughout the repair process, such as initially writing a low estimate and then raising the amount through supplements if the driver actually goes ahead with the repair.

“Charging a deductible is a tool of the insurance companies,” Lowe says. “The insurance companies made the deductible to avoid having to pay a claim.”

Waiving this charge is the right thing, he asserts. “We don’t have steering laws in Florida, so I have to do what I have to do to protect my business.” “This is America. It’s all about what deal you can make. If they take that away from us we’re all in trouble.”

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 Posted 2009-04-06 14:26:40.0
FRAUDULENT PRACTICES View Entire Chapter Florida Statute 817.234 False and fraudulent insurance claims. (7)(a) It shall constitute a material omission and insurance fraud, punishable as provided in subsection (11), for any service provider, other than a hospital, to engage in a general business practice of billing amounts as its usual and customary charge, if such provider has agreed with the insured or intends to waive deductibles or copayments, or does not for any other reason intend to collect the total amount of such charge. With respect to a determination as to whether a service provider has engaged in such general business practice, consideration shall be given to evidence of whether the physician or other provider made a good faith attempt to collect such deductible or copayment. This paragraph does not apply to physicians or other providers who waive deductibles or copayments or reduce their bills as part of a bodily injury settlement or verdict.
 Posted 2009-04-07 11:43:53.0
Lowe could not be more backwards. Insurance companies did not make the deductible, it is the amount of self insurance that an individual agreed on. If they were "made up" in order to keep from paying claims, why are there $50 or $100 deductibles? As I am sure all of us are aware, you can't sneeze on a car for less than 100 bucks. Lowe has latched on to a business model that works for him but is spreading mis-information and proud of himself for it. If he hates insurance companies the way they are, why not get a few people together and start his own? In texas you only need 55k per insured indiviual to be self insured. While you at it, Lowe, remember when you start this company and start collecting premium, 40% of what you will pay out will be related to fraud from either body shops or insureds. Why don't more people make money the way the author suggests "...or the facility thrives on referrals and a high volume of work with efficient throughput." and quit complaining about how everyone else is mean. Jeesh, grow up people.
 Posted 2009-04-07 19:30:13.0
Everyone bad mouths the Insurance Companies. I'd like to know how long he would be in business with nothing but customer pay, especially in this economy.
 Posted 2009-04-07 20:04:13.0
Insurance is a contract between the insured and the company. ALL companies state that the insured will pay the first(250-500) or whatever their deductable is , then the insurance company will pay the rest. Until the insured has paid their portain the Insurance company owes nothing. It cost 50-100 just to record a claim. That is why there is deductables. If ever tiny scratch was made into a claim there would be no insurance available. If the insured has a lien against their car then the waive of deductable could look like inferior work was done which could be a problem with the lien holder. With so little profit on a 1000$ job how he can give away 200 can only be questionable. Finding extra damage to cover the deductable is against the law for sure. If the insured owns the car , has no lien and say has a scrathed wheel which he chooses not to replace that would be up to him. How ever a good adjuster would have probably already made an appearance allowance instead of paying for a replacement. The insurance company can choose to waive the deductable if they choose but not the shop or the owner of the car. Cheap price ? cheap work. All there is to it. If an insurance company knows a deductable was saved they can request the check be returned and they should.
 Posted 2009-04-08 00:11:49.0
Good for you Lowe, This industry has has gone to sh*t with the way body shops have allowed insurance companies to dictate the way cars are repaired as well as the repair times that thay are to be repaired. All in the name of DRP. "Send the cars to our shop and we will do as you say". The ones that feel most of the affect are the technicians. You know, the ones that have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on tools and years upon years to learn the trade just to make less every year because of the greed of ins. companies and shops. Shmoozing with ins. agents have been going on for a long time. Buy them lunch, give them gifts, take them to vegas. Ive seen it all.How is saving a deductable worse yet? Atleast by saving a customers deductable, the customer is helped instead of the insurance company that does the constant screwing. How many of you have had to actually trimmed out a used quarter for 3.0 hours? You say grow up? I say open your eyes to what is really going on in the industry. I've been watching for 23 years. Insurance companies are as crooked as it gets.
 Posted 2009-04-08 07:27:27.0
It's not my responsibility to make up for a customers bad planning. If they do not want to pay a deductible there are insurance policies they could purchase that are such. I realize that in today's tough economic conditions money is tight, however if you have a good reputation and preform quality work why give up even more of your money? I have never understood how shops can justify giving back the deductible, while asking more from the insurance companies. (Don't get me wrong I want every penny I can get from them.) But if you are telling them it's going to cost one amount and are not collecting the deductible, then you are lying. It cost the amount minus the deductible. How is this not fraud?
 Posted 2009-04-08 08:59:51.0
One of my customer was offered her deductible waived by the insurance company,If they took it to thier drp.Hmmm is this illegal then...maybe on two counts. Isnt there an insurnance company adertising on tv.If your with them fo x amount of years they waive you deductible? Not 100% sure but I thought I saw that. Seems like the insurance companies dont worry about Illegal steering or blantant lying to the customers. Why are they so concerned about deductible waiving. Isn't that just a discount to a loyal customer?
 Posted 2009-04-08 11:38:27.0
I have been consulting for 30 years and it is my understanding that the deductable is a contractial agreement between the insurer and the insured. It is also my understanding that if a customer gets an estimate from a body shop and pays for it with their personal check (and the body shop has no knowlege of the insurance company's involvement) then the body shop can repair the vehicle for the agreed upon amount and agreeded upon repairs. The rub comes in if the body shop is shown or asked to sign off on or cosign the insurance company's check certifing that a deductable was to be colledted and a repair process followed.
 Posted 2009-04-10 15:14:38.0
While I dont agree with these Tactics of waiving deductables I do understand his frustration,Maybe the shops that are so angry about this because they are losing vehicles to him are the same shops on mutipull DRP programes and they would not have had those customers in the first place had not the insurance company lied, intimindated or misslead them there in the first place,When is this intire industry (insurance companies and shops) going to start to put the customer first and start delivering the customer a quailty product at a fair price.
 Posted 2009-04-11 11:43:19.0
When you work with DRP programs you agree to give up $2 to $4 off your hourly rate 5% to 20% off parts, you don't even get a shot at glass profits. If you can do a quality job under these conditions, you can do the same job by discounting to the customer and not to the insurance company and waving the deductable is just a discount. The only problem is the insurance company has to work, they have to wright an estimate, they must check suplements, they should use factoy parts. "O" thats what they use to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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